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[moneyballer]

i mean

[No, please don't tell him what you mean-]

sometimes u just want a free sample without havin 2 buy the whole slab of meat

[catphishing]

That's gross, and I still don't see the part where that's consensual.

[moneyballer]

Okay.

So you've never had someone ask you for that kinda thing? 'Cause it happens. Some people are just into different stuff! Don't be a hater.

[catphishing]

Any guy who's ever asked something like that hasn't got what they were hoping for.

I'm not that desperate.

There's no way asking someone if you can try before you buy has ever done anything but make whoever you're hitting on hate you on the spot.

[moneyballer]

Um, aite, fact?

Everybody who's asked for that sorta special treatment from me has been a girl so it's not just dudes who pull that crap and! idk

Let's say you're at a club and you're dancin' with somebody kinda cute! He/she/WHATEVER whispers in your ear, tellin' you do a little somethin' somethin', and you do! Maybe you make out or dance for a little while and hit bank, or maybe you don't! Sometimes it just doesn't happen.

It different for everybody, bro. Maybe he was just havin' fun.

[Achilles doesn't really strike Asher as a plan for the future kind of guy. He's very much in the moment all the time.]

Still, I think I get whatchu mean. It's weird.

You thought you had a little fire goin' there and turns out he was seein' somebody else. That's why you're buggin', right?

[catphishing]

You asked about me though. I can't tell you about experiences I haven't had. I'm gay. I go to places where I'm likely to meet other gay guys. It shouldn't be a surprise that the vast majority of people who have hit on me are men.

The kind of situation you're giving me here isn't about getting free samples. It's about flirting with someone and seeing if you hit it off. Even if you don't make it past dancing or making out or whatever when it starts out there's hope there things will work out.

You shouldn't be feeling someone up just for fun, especially not if you're already in a relationship. It's misleading and it's hurtful for the other person when they realize you were just doing it to objectify them and not because you wanted to be with them.

But that isn't the point.

I know you think I'm misinterpreting things, but that wasn't what happened with us. If he didn't want to have something together he wouldn't have wanted us to see each other again.

So yeah. That's been bothering me.

[moneyballer]

[That's a lot to process, but Asher does take the time to do so.

This is the clearest Oliver has really ever been with him, and that's progress. There's a lot more that needs to be said here, and perhaps an apology that's required on his end, but maybe they should take things one step at a time.

It's obvious that this has been bothering the other man for quite a while, now.]

So, he hurt you.

[That much he can understand. The feeling of wanting more being met by rejection... It's horrible.]

Dude, I'm sorry.

[catphishing]

Thanks, but it's OK. It's better I figured this out now than later on.

I just don't know how I'm supposed to confront him about this right after the guy he's been cheating on died.

He needs to know what he was doing was wrong, but it seems kind of harsh to do it after something so terrible has happened.

[If Asher knows he's done this before it seems even more important to drive home that it's not okay, but it does make him lose some hope he'll show any remorse in that respect. If he's been repeating it with Oliver it doesn't exactly say much for any apologies he must have had to make before.]

[moneyballer]

I dunno if we've got the moral high ground to say that it's wrong, O-man.

[To be fair, had Asher heard of this before Patroclus' death? He would have been in Oliver's corner, one-hundred percent.

And, he still is. Oliver is from home, and even though they didn't start out on in the best possible place, they are friends.]

Things are pretty different where he's from. That doesn't make 'em right in our books, but...

What I do know is that being let down like that? It really sticks with ya.

[catphishing]

[Wow. That hadn't been what he'd been expecting to hear from him at all. It's pretty upsetting actually, seeing him try to make excuses for him.]

Cheating isn't OK.

Didn't you say Patroclus was your friend? I don't get why you're trying to justify this. You said yourself this wasn't just a one time thing.

I know this was just flirting, but he would have taken it further if we hadn't worked out we were on the same team.

[moneyballer]

That's not what I meant! Like hell I'd side with that

[The message cuts off here.

Calling someone who has just suffered a huge loss by some disrespectful curse word is not classy, even if he happens to be a giant prick.]

Listen, I don't think it's wrong for you to be mad, I just...

I dunno if we can expect him to see things our way.

[A beat passes.]

Will you hear me out?

[catphishing]

[He doesn't really want to hear him out, but much as he doesn't need to hear the reasons why Achilles behavior was okay it's not like he's obligated to change his mind if it does turn out that Asher's just being an idiot.]

Alright. I'm listening.

[moneyballer]

He's from ancient Greece, dude.

From what I hear, it doesn't sound like you could be with a guy... The way you or I might wanna be with one. Like the whole gay marriage thing? Doesn't seem like it was really an option, back in the day.

Okey-doke. That was bullet point numero uno.

[catphishing]

Yeah, I got that part. Most people from modern Greece don't talk about how they're going to pass through the gates of Hades.

I hate how hard it's been for gay people to get marriage equality throughout history as much as anyone, but you shouldn't need that to be faithful to your partner.

[moneyballer]

Right, no, yeah! I hear ya.

[What an odd conversation to be having, all things considered.]

So, when Pats got here, Achilles was seeing somebody else. And it was pretty serious, like...

He was the callin' the girl his wife, 'n shiz. I know that didn't go down so well, but... Somehow how he and Pats seemed chill, after?

So I dunno. Maybe it's okay for him to be seeing more than one person at a time, where he's from. You ever think about that?

[catphishing]

Maybe he forgave him for it.

The issue becomes more complicated if he wasn't even here long enough he got married.

[moneyballer]

[His brows furrow at that.

The computer whiz isn't wrong. Maybe there was a conflict! Neither of them know enough about that relationship to say.

Still, the way in which the other man is handling all this, it's worrying. Like a red flag. Maybe it's none of Asher's business to say this, but he does because ultimately, he feels that it will do Oliver some good.]

This whole time we've been talkin', man...

It sounds like you've been making this all about you.

[If Oliver could hear Asher speaking out loud, it would be soft.

And oddly, full of kindness.]

Like I said, I don't think it's wrong for you to be feelin' the way you do! If I were in your shoes? I'd be fumin', g.

But he's not from our world, so. We can't expect him to play by our rules.

[catphishing]

[Well. That makes him angry. Saying he'd be angry too doesn't soften the accusation. It's not his fault he only has his own experience with Achilles to talk about, and if he's hurt someone else here too that should show he's not wrong.]

How is it making it about me to be worried about him going behind his boyfriend's back?

[moneyballer]

You're just seein' things from your point of view.

[And this really hurts to type, because Asher knows that he does this too.]

You do that a lot.

[The message is not a kind one, even if it is the truth.]

[catphishing]

I don't do that.

1/2

[moneyballer]

2/2

[moneyballer]

[catphishing]

[So he's ignoring him now? Great. He gives him a while before he messages him again, but he does eventually get tired enough of waiting to do it.]

I'm serious.

Don't you think he should know better than this if he already hurt someone he was in an actual relationship with?

[moneyballer]

Well, yeah.

I do.

[Note to self: Oliver doesn't take criticism very well, even if it's meant to be constructive.

Then again, who does? That shit's rough for anybody.]

Since you came around askin' for my advice, I'll just be straight with ya.

I don't think he's cleaning up his act any time soon.

[catphishing]

If he's done it before it doesn't make it look like he's willing to change much.